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isabella2296 Admin

Number of posts: 45 Location: You'd really like to know, wouldn't you? Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:07 am | |
| Source: AMC 10 a + a^-1 = 4 Find a^4 + a^-4 We really need LaTeX. |
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herefishyfishy1 Developer

Number of posts: 36 Age: 14 Location: An insignificant little blue-green planet 93 million miles from the sun Sol. Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:13 am | |
| You square both sides of x+x^-1=4. You get x^2+2+x^-2=16. Then that means x^2+x^-2=14. Square both sides again. x^4+2+x^-4=196. Therefore, x^4+x^-4=194. The answer is 194! |
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isabella2296 Admin

Number of posts: 45 Location: You'd really like to know, wouldn't you? Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:15 am | |
| Correct! How about this one? x + y = 2 x^2 + y^2 = 3 Find x^3 + y^3. (Yes, this is from Problems of the Day.) |
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herefishyfishy1 Developer

Number of posts: 36 Age: 14 Location: An insignificant little blue-green planet 93 million miles from the sun Sol. Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:24 am | |
| 86? Because if you divide the first equation into the second, you get x-y=3/2, and you can solve x=7/4 and y=1/4. And then you cube them, and add. |
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isabella2296 Admin

Number of posts: 45 Location: You'd really like to know, wouldn't you? Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:33 am | |
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skittles School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 40 Age: 14 Location: Lost Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:35 pm | |
| edit: will post solution later.. just realized where this problem was from |
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herefishyfishy1 Developer

Number of posts: 36 Age: 14 Location: An insignificant little blue-green planet 93 million miles from the sun Sol. Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:30 pm | |
| I completely failed. The answer is 43/8. I divided wrong. |
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skittles School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 40 Age: 14 Location: Lost Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:48 pm | |
| ?? I got a way different answer. |
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isabella2296 Admin

Number of posts: 45 Location: You'd really like to know, wouldn't you? Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:39 am | |
| Sorry, not 48/3. It is 5. Anyone have a solution, or should I post it? |
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skittles School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 40 Age: 14 Location: Lost Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:05 am | |
| x+y=2 x^2+y^2=3 cube x+y=2 to get x^3+y^3+3x^2y+3xy^2=8. square x+y=2 to get x^2+2xy+y^2=4. Subracting x^2+y^2=3 from this, you find xy to be 1/2. Now look at 3x^2y+3xy^2. This can be factored into 3xy(x+y), Since x+y=2, and xy=1/2, 3xy(x+y)=3. Subract this from x^3+y^3+3x^2y+3xy^2=8 to get x^3+y^3=5. |
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isabella2296 Admin

Number of posts: 45 Location: You'd really like to know, wouldn't you? Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Manipulations Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:30 am | |
| Correct! More on solving these in my blog.  |
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AIME15 Hardcore TMF user


Number of posts: 163 Age: 13 Location: Pleasanton, CA Registration date: 2008-08-13
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