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Dojo Admin


Number of posts: 154 Location: Probably somewhere near a computer Registration date: 2008-08-13
 | Subject: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:39 pm | |
| Post pythagoreas proofs/integer triples you can find!!!! _________________ ~Dojo
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mathblitz Developer


Number of posts: 29 Age: 12 Location: GET AWAY STALKER Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:42 pm | |
| heres some pythagoream triples: 3,4,5 5 12 13 7 24 25 9 40 41 11 60 61 13 84 85 see if you spot the pattern... (its easy i spotted it in third grade or fourth)  |
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herefishyfishy1 Developer

Number of posts: 36 Age: 14 Location: An insignificant little blue-green planet 93 million miles from the sun Sol. Registration date: 2008-08-16
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:57 pm | |
| You can assign an ordered pair to each of the triples. Call the pair (x,y). The first number in the triple is x 2-y 2. The second is 2xy. The third is x 2+y 2. |
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AIME15 Hardcore TMF user


Number of posts: 163 Age: 13 Location: Pleasanton, CA Registration date: 2008-08-13
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:50 pm | |
| This looks like special binomial products, like (a-b)^2, (a+b)^2, etc. Also, at least one number in each triple is divisible by 4 and at least one is divisible by 5. I've never been able to prove it, although i know there is one. |
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pythag011 School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 15 Registration date: 2008-08-18
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:04 pm | |
| | AIME15 wrote: | This looks like special binomial products, like (a-b)^2, (a+b)^2, etc.
Also, at least one number in each triple is divisible by 4 and at least one is divisible by 5. I've never been able to prove it, although i know there is one. |
The (x,y) thing actually generates all the pythagorean triples with all three numbers relatively prime. So then if x, y are both odd, then x^2-y^2 and x^2+y^2 and 2xy are all even and it's not relatively prime. So , when it is relatively prime, one of x and y must be even, so the 2xy is a multiple of 4.
For the divisibility by 5 thing, take the equation $x^2 + y^2 = z^2$ modulo 5, and there are no solutions if none of them are divisible by 5. |
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AIME15 Hardcore TMF user


Number of posts: 163 Age: 13 Location: Pleasanton, CA Registration date: 2008-08-13
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:14 pm | |
| So you could do the same thing with 4? |
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pythag011 School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 15 Registration date: 2008-08-18
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:57 pm | |
| | AIME15 wrote: | | So you could do the same thing with 4? |
Read the first sentence. Thouh I wrote it in a really ba d way... |
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AIME15 Hardcore TMF user


Number of posts: 163 Age: 13 Location: Pleasanton, CA Registration date: 2008-08-13
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:04 pm | |
| Oh yeah, thanks. Anyone find proofs of this yet? |
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pythag011 School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 15 Registration date: 2008-08-18
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:28 pm | |
| Here's a better proof of the fact that at least one element has to be a multiple of 4. Take the equation x^2 + y^2 = z^2 in modulo 8. A perfect square is either 1 ( if it is odd) (4 if it is even but not x is not a multiple of 4) or 0(if it is a multiple of 4) modulo 8. If none of them are 0 modulo 8, Then x^2 + y^2 can either be 1+1 = 2, which is not a value a perfect square can have, 4+1=5(same thing) or 4+4 = 0, which implies z is a multiple of 4. Therfore, one of them has to be a multiple of 4. |
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AIME15 Hardcore TMF user


Number of posts: 163 Age: 13 Location: Pleasanton, CA Registration date: 2008-08-13
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:44 pm | |
| i meant proofs ot eht ehorem, not the proofs of my statement earlier :DDD |
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pythag011 School Math Nerd


Number of posts: 15 Registration date: 2008-08-18
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:03 pm | |
| The thereom that all pythagorean triples can be expressed as (c(x^2-y^2), 2xcy, and c(x^2+y^2))? Here is a proof. First, divide gcd(x,y,z) out. This will be c. After that, one of (x,y) will be odd, and z will be odd. Why? If any two of them are even, all of them are even, and that can't happen 'cause we divide the gcd out. If z is even, then we consider the equation modulo 4, and since squares can only be 0 or 1 modulo 4, then x and y are both eve, contradiction. Let's say y is even. Let m be (x+z)/2, and let n be (z-x)/2. Then x= m-n and z = m+n. We get y the square of y is 4mn. If m and n are not relatively prime, then their sum and difference are also not relatively prime. Furthermore, y cannot be relatively prime because y^2 = z^2-x^2. So m and n are relatively prime. Since 4mn is a square and 4 is a square, mn must be a square. Because m and n are relatively prime, m must be a square and n must be a square. Now we get the thereom. QED |
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ternary0210 School Math Nerd

Number of posts: 41 Age: 12 Registration date: 2008-08-17
 | Subject: Re: All you could ever want from pythagoreas!!! Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:58 pm | |
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